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Isn't Sabrina The Teenage Witch #28 (the first part of the cross-over that continued in Sonic Super Special #10) cannon too? Shadzane 01:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Sabrina the Teenage Witch #28 should be considered canon as should an Archie & Friends special titled "A Halloween Tale" be also considered canon as this too featured a cross over with Sonic.

So...is it worth having an article for it? I mean, the 2nd part of that story has an article (SSS#10).

Sonic X?

If SX#40 is the only issue of that series considered canon to the Archieverse, why couldn't there be a page on that issue, seeing as STH#195-196 and SU#1 pages are on this site, which are all part of the Shadow/Metal Sonic multidimentional battle?

Technically there could be an article on that. No one's bothered to make it. - Dimitri the Echidna 23:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll do it later if no one else is volunteering.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I guess another reason it hasn't been done yet is that it'll open up the whole idea of making articles for all of the Sonic X comics and I'd prefer to avoid that from happening. I'm still not entirely sure how to deal with the matter, whether or not to open the doors to Sonic X related material and, for example have articles like "Sonic (Sonic X)". I think it would be best to avoid this overall and remain focused on the primary Archieverse continuity. - Dimitri the Echidna 10:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Better get rid of those links then.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog Who's Who? Volume 1?

In the list of Archieverse comics that appears at the bottom of all the issue articles, there's a title in the Graphic Novels bit, called "Sonic the Hedgehog Who's who? Volume 1" Before this appeared, there was another mystery title in that section, called "Sonic: The Encyclopedia"

Can somebody tell me what this is supposed to be?

Dimitri you might want to read this statement from Ian regarding the Who's Who. [1] Might need to update the canon policy of the site.The Illustrious Q 15:31, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic X pages (?)

I'v just discovered that somebody has gone and created pages for the other 39 issues of Archies Sonic X (Featuring only the cover, and blank areas for issue information). Has SX been canonized by the site or something, or has somebody just been disobaying the rules?

Nope. The comic is now accepted as canon. See Forum:Sonic X comics - now part of Archieverse canon.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:36, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Publication Dates On Canon Policy Page

Might want to fix these Dimitri. Corrections are in Bold. I would do it myself only well for some reason I can't edit that page.

  1. Sonic the Hedgehog #1-present (Published monthly from May 1993 to December 2000, published thirteen times a year (every four weeks) thereafter)
  2. Knuckles the Echidna #1-32 (Published monthly from January 1997 to November 1999)
  3. Sonic X #1-40 (Published monthly from September 2005 to December 2008)
  4. Original Sonic Miniseries #0-3 (Published monthly from November 1992 to February 1993)
  5. Princess Sally Miniseries #1-3 (Published monthly from February to April 1995)
  6. Tails Miniseries #1-3 (Published monthly from October 1995 to December 1995)
  7. Knuckles Miniseries #1-3 (Published monthly from May to July 1996)
  8. SonicQuest Miniseries #1-3 (Published monthly from September 1996 to November 1996

Hope that helps.The Illustrious Q 02:33, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

JUST A QUICK QUESTION WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE A LONG ANSWER...

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I have a list. I'll give it to you. Remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Dnavarre 23:56, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Archie Sonic Blog

The link for the blog has changed and needs to be updated here. http://www.archiecomics.com/Blogs/tabid/97/BlogID/2/Default.aspx

Fangs Echidna 21:05, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Should we try remaking this page a bit?

So there's not really "one definitive canon" so much anymore and things are getting kind of sticky, what with how it's canon that almost every game is canon and all now. Can I make a little suggestion?

I've been going around tagging articles and realizing that tagging things as pre/post-super genesis wave is really cumbersome and plain out doesn't work for infoboxes and other size restrictions. Could we maybe come up with a sort of name for the different canons floating around here? While the new canon and old canon are definitely linked, a lot of stuff canon to the old canon isn't actually canon to the new canon and now my tongue is in a knot. Short version: It'd probably be good to break things up into simple reference terms so we can more effectively tag and organize the wiki's articles. That, and it allows us to clump Sonic X up in a group too.

I know I'm proposing something really crazy, but I actually think it might help clean the wiki up and make it more friendly for the user. See my comment on Category Talk: Characters Removed by the Super Genesis Wave for a bit more detail about what I mean. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this if possible.

TheDudestofGuys (talk) 18:56, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Something like this?
  • Main canon (252+)
  • Old main canon (1-247)
  • Another Time/Another Place
  • Sonic X
The thing is, it's difficult to pinpoint exactly what qualifies as being either another canon or just an alternate reality. For instance, Sonic X is considered an alternate reality in the Achieverse, so in that regard you could say it's just as much canon to the overall Archieverse as Moebius is.

While I'm here, I've been meaning to make this suggestion for a while: modifying this page a little to show what issues are canon to each timeline. Example:

  • Canon to the Post-Super Genesis Wave timeline:
    • Archie Sonic the Hedgehog #1-#251
    • Archie Sonic Universe #1-#54
    • FCBD #1-#6
    • everything else (Knuckles, Sonic X, Super Specials, et al.)
  • Canon to the Post-Super Genesis Wave timeline:
    • Archie Sonic the Hedgehog #252-present
    • Archie Sonic Universe #55-present

TheFatPanda (talk) 19:34, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

I only really added Sonic X because all but #40 are considered "non-canon" at the moment, and it would make things a lot simpler. Also, the thing with the other versions that aren't main or X is just that...they aren't main or X, so they have their own little designations. It's considered its own little canon outside of that one issue, so it'd probably nice to lump it into its own little ball so people don't visit a page for X issue 22 and wonder "what's this canon to?" You also can't really put it under non-canon material because...well it kinda is canon.
My basic idea with this is that we need to change this page because a lot of things it says are...well, kinda wrong. There isn't a single canon anymore despite the fact that it's pretty much all one long continuity because some elements simply aren't true to both sides of the split. Articles like "The Great Harmony" and "Julie-Su" contain material that's canon...just not to issues after August of 2013. Meanwhile Sonic Advance 3 and Battle, video games which were explicitly not canon according to this page are canon now...only to issues after August of 2013.
So yeah, I'm saying we should try reflecting the two/three canons on this page and make categories for them. Partly to keep canon confusion to minimum, partly to keep things as neutral as possible, and just a tiny bit because I really want to try using the tab function to clump versions of characters that only really differ by history into singular articles. We already have examples of that with Shard. Click on Metal Sonic 2.0 in the disambiguation? Brings you right to his section on the history page. It'd take a bit of work to make proper links apply for the various versions of characters, but boy, if we set it up right it would make the wiki smooth as butter. I mean, consider this, "alternate future" King Acorn and MXYL King Acorn along with Maxx being under a "Alternate Versions" tab in the history section, their links on respective pages redirecting straight to those sections. The sheer efficiency and lack of clutter that can present is incredible. Sure, there are some major characters who wouldn't fit under things like this (like Scourge and Shard) and some other snippets elude it through the alternate versions not being "the same person" (like the FFs of the Galaxy and the prehistoric FFs), but it's pretty effective. I'd honestly recommend we put ATAP in like that, under a sort of "other versions" tab, or possibly as its own tab.
Short Version: I think we can solve some of the wiki's (and even the userbase associated with it) big problems by finding a consensus here. Make a short name for these two major "canons", put them in categories, and group content accordingly. A lot of people are feeling uneasy about the sort of shift going on, and if we tackle the actual problem of what's canon to what without being exclusionists or using negative terms like "banned" or "not returning" we can make things way less confrontational. This is sorta ramble-y, but I hope that gets the gist of what I mean across.

TheDudestofGuys (talk) 20:29, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

So if we were to do this, how many canons would we designate? TheFatPanda (talk) 20:36, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
I'd personally go with just the two, maybe three by including X. If people want to keep a designation for ATAP that's fine too, but I only really suggest X because there's a bunch of issues there that would be called "non-canon" otherwise and that's a sticky wicket.
That, and it'd be really great to make shorter names for this stuff. Like I said, Pre/Post-SGW is a pain to write and won't work on infoboxes.
All that said, this isn't our decision alone to make. We kinda have to talk to everyone about doing this. That, and mods are responsible for this page so we can't really edit this part of it anyway. I'm just up for streamlining the heck out of the wiki.

TheDudestofGuys (talk) 20:45, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

I think I get what your saying: we should treat is as any story that doesn't have any direct impact on the Prime Zone or the wider multiverse is considered to be it's own canon. i.e. everything in Sonic X #1-#39 is completely self contained, meaning, all though it essentially took place somewhere in Archieverse, it's not relevant to grand scheme of things, therefor making it it's own thing, with #40 being the sole example of a story that interacts with something from the wider multiverse.

We could potentially say the same for Sonic Underground, if that epilogue ever see's the light of day: the SSS#10 story is canon to the overall multiverse because it actively crosses over with those outside of its own zone. But when the epilogue comes about, it can be assumed it'll be self contained.

Much later down the line, we'll probably end up including Sonic Boom on canon list, since it'll most likely be self contained to its own universe also. TheFatPanda (talk) 21:01, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

So after actually thinking instead of being crazy and proposing too many sweeping changes at once, I realize it would probably be a bad idea (in terms of making the wiki user-friendly) to try and ask for this page to be split into its own "canons" for things like X and such. That, and making pages like Maxx part of the regular KA page can just be frustrating.
However, I do think making a designation/term for the two "main" canons going on right now would help the wiki a lot, and that versions of characters with nothing to really identify them as "different" from their original versions could easily be integrated as tabs or entries under an "other" or "alternate versions" tab in main character pages (stuff like Shadow(Dark Mobius) or Sonic(X) or Blaze(ATAP)). So unless you think it's a good idea, please disregard those parts because I was being dumb.TheDudestofGuys (talk) 18:28, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

"First Appearance" sections

I've been thinking of this one for a while: I think character info boxes could do with a "first appearance" section. With the exceptions of the issue articles themselves where characters making their debuts are listed, I believe having that info on the character pages themselves would be convenient for quick reference. TheFatPanda (talk) 20:09, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Timeline Terminology

I have to know for sure what terminology we're going with for the timelines. Right now, we keep switching back and forth between "Post-SGW/Pre-SGW" to "Current/Prime". TheFatPanda (talk) 18:12, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

We really do have to choose some kind of name for this stuff. Pre/Post is too long to type into infoboxes effectively, especially the ones that use tabs. I don't know if "Current" and "Prime" are effective names, but we need something simple for the split. That or we can make two versions of each page that exists in both and then turn them into a superpage using tabview. Or we could add a disambiguation to everything and add tags in the titles of every character. Both of those solutions seem really ineffective, though. :/ TheDudestofGuys (talk) 19:07, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

How about "Current Prime" and "Old Prime"? Still too long.

Or why can't we just abbreviate the terms we have: "Post-SGW" and "Pre-SGW"?

That works kinda okay, but then you have readers wondering what that means. :/ I had considered and proposed before that we make categories for the old and new continuity, effectively replacing those dubious "Removed characters/location" categories with lists of everything in the old and everything in the new, putting the things that belong in both...well, in both. I felt like it would let people get where things fall at a glance when dealing with pages that only exist one side of the split, give readers a quick way to check what the heck that means (right now they have to either find a link to Genesis Wave in the article or just search for it in the sidebar), and get rid of the negative tone of "removed characters".
Not sure if that would work or help, but it's an idea I guess. If it just can't work out I guess we can work with Post/Pre, I just worry about how user-friendly that is. This is all just a complicated little situation. TheDudestofGuys (talk) 19:24, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Articles for non-canon characters?

I know there are already articles for the two kids from Sonic Live floating around the site somewhere. May I recommend a single article compiling all of these characters from the non-canon stuff? TheFatPanda (talk) 21:42, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Someone else already turned those articles into other articles.
You could make a page listing Non-Canon characters if you want, though. If the mods think it's bad they'll take it down, simple as that. It's kinda like when I tried consolidating the trilions of robot master pages. Wiriamu thought it didn't fit the guidelines, we talked it over, and he ended up editing it to fit the wiki's criteria. TheDudestofGuys (talk) 16:05, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

I think this page needs an overhaul

Particularly since there's no longer a "single" Archieverse anymore. Recommended changes include:

  • Removing the graphic novels, since having them here just seems redundant, or at least put them in their own section.
  • Changing the Magazine and Digest from "reprint collection" status, primarily because new stories have started showing up.
  • Generally, just splitting the Archieverse into two sections, listing what's canon to the old universe and to the new.

Additionally, we could do with some way of distingushing the universes in the issue articles themselves. TheFatPanda (talk) 20:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

New Template

I made this: {{OldCanon}}

What do you think, good or bad? TheFatPanda (talk) 16:02, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's actually a good idea to use, considering it might draw ire from fans of the old continuity. I get why you made it, and I see how it could be useful, but 3/4 of the wiki would end up with this template.
On the template itself, if we're working on it being a template for articles that are 100% old canon and will never transfer over, rewording it to something like "Events referenced in this article do not apply to the Archieverse following Archie Sonic the Hedgehog #252" would probably be a good idea. DudestofGuysbackup (talk) 02:44, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to start by responding to one point: are we really gonna starting treading on eggshells when talking about the old canon so that fans don't get upset? Yes, there are fans who are upset that the old canon is gone, and I can sympathise with that. But, to put it bluntly, they need to get over it. I believe having some sort of disclaimer on these articles for the sake of clarity would make things less confusing: we can't pretend otherwise just because some can't accept the fact these characters are not coming back.

And yes, I'd be willing to take that approach. I'll reword the article and apply it to, say, Ken Penders characters, since it's cannon knowledge by this point that Archie won't be touching them anymore. How's that sound? TheFatPanda (talk) 19:19, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

I probably didn't phrase that the best way possible, but my point is less that people will be offended and more "over 3/4 of the site's articles are going to have this thing at the top." Over 350 pages of comics, hundreds of character articles, and nearly everything else. It's a bit much. I could see using it for things like event pages (Hey there Days of Fury and Great Harmony), but the way it is now we'd logically be applying it to nearly every single issue of the comic ever produced, and it might be clunky when used with certain kinds of pages (Should we put it on pages for locations that don't exist anymore? What if that place was only changed in name, like Mercia/Avalon?).
Pointing it only at Ken's work doesn't make much sense considering we already have cateogries for this kind of thing and...what I'm getting at is we have a mess of people trying to say the same thing through several different avenues and depending on how we use this template it could just be a gaudy little sticker taped to the top of the majority of the wiki's pages while the same article probably already states the relevant material is no longer canon and there's a tag at the bottom saying it's been removed/banned, you know? I get why you made it, but I'm not sure if using it is actually a good idea. DudestofGuysbackup (talk) 21:05, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Non-Canon section?

Should there be a section addressing the non-canon material that appeared in the series? Stuff like the main story of Sonic Live, the Archie/Sabrina crossovers, and both the original versions of issue #50 and Archie Sonic Super Special Issue 15? Also, how about a non-canon template? LogiTeeka (talk) 08:27, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

What about the Original Mini Series, isn't that mostly non-canon? MeltingMan234 20:02, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Not exactly. The events themselves did indeed happen (as evidenced in several flashbacks in later issues), but not to the same extent as was originally depicted. Most of it can either be attributed to artistic license, or (my personal theory) Sonic retelling the story through his style of storytelling. LogiTeeka (talk) 20:19, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

SatAM canon?

I noticed that the SatAM TV show wasn't mentioned anywhere on the page. Is that canon at all?

Sonic the Hedgehog #50

As I see it, issue 50 of Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog was non-canonized, so I recommend it's either removed from the list or a note be added stating this. - LoLuX12 (talk with me!) 18:19, May 22, 2016 (UTC)