User blog:ElixirBlue/Type 8 Existence Eraser

For those who are confused and seeing this for the first time, this is part of a debate whether Sonic resists Existence Erasure from the Ultimate Annihilator or not. ____________________________________________________

> It says "Sonic and Mobius [return]" there is no distinction between what happens to them, the only assumption that can be made is they returned the same way.

So you admit you’re assuming.

Evidence for Sonic ability to resist getting Erased from Existence:

1. Clothes and Metal Arm

Despite the Ultimate Annihilator only targeting Robotnik’s bio data, his clothes and Metal arm gets erased from existence which aren’t biologically linked to Robotnik.

Counter argument~

Robotnik’s clothes and Metal Arm could’ve still been left behind and Reality Warping could’ve consciously replicated his clothes and metal arm to look exactly like what he had before he was erased.

B-b-b-but it’s a kid’s comic so they couldn’t draw him naked

Answering the unfounded assumption~

Robotnik’s clothes and Metal Arm were never shown in any panels and in no dialogue mentioning them. Also, the reality warping that brought him back was manipulated by the current Dr. “Eggman” Robotnik, and he was surprised at seeing the late Prime Robotnik show up.

Meta “Common-Sense” don’t apply when￼ analyzing a story itself for feats, due to the fact that it’s impossible to gauge the author’s “common sense” when other “kids” programs have shown human characters being naked.￼

 2. Sonic’s Ring

Sonic comes out of White Space from a ring. It was necessary to draw Sonic coming out of a ring after getting blasted by EE. Sonic was the only closest being to Ground Zero from an overloading Ultimate Annihilator with Unpredictable results (Bunnie is later shown in the comic to travel across the continent, the states, with Sonic in less than a day. Antonie and her were long gone in those 10 minutes when the bomb blew off.) while clinging onto Robotnik, who that we know for sure was going to get affected, whether the Ultimate Annihilator unstably overloaded or not.

Counter argument~

We don’t know if it’s the ring aura or influence by the one billionth ring.

> You're putting "words" in the comic's mouth by inserting an unfounded theory into the narrative.

Answering the Counter argument with what is in the narrative~

In the comic’s narrative, Sonic gains a special ring after collecting 1 billion rings. The Ancient Walkers, Sonic’s 2-A high Multiversal Gods, says Sonic is the only one to have reached this number and is then granted a special ring that surrounds him with protective aura.

In Mecha Madness, it is explain that the ring given to Sonic by the Ancient Walkers protects Sonic’s life force.

In Sonic Live, Sonic legitimately got vaporized. There’s nothing to contradict the SwatBots that fired and hit Sonic wasn’t with vaporizing beams. The electrical storm happened the exact same time Sonic got vaporized, implying he caused it, as the story offers no other explanation of the cause.

The story implies through the narrative that Sonic is protected by a special Ring the 2-A Ancient Walkers gave him. No other person on Mobius or its Multiverse, has been given that sort of gift by the Ancient Walkers.

Counter Points to EE:

1. Dr. Quack

Dr. Quack said only Robotnik’s Bio Data could have been affected by the ultimate annihilator.

Dr. Quack’s quote: “What Robotnik also didn’t know was that his nephew Snivley had other plans. I noticed he altered the Neutron Eradicator to affect only one organic pattern out of the many originally programmed.”

Rebuttal~

^ See above for Robotnik’s Clothes and Metal Arm being affected without them being biologically linked to Robotnik ^￼

Dr. Quack said Snivley altered the Ultimate Annihilator to affect only Robotnik out of the many originally programmed.

Key word, altered, not delete.

Dr. Quack also proves himself that he is not reliable when it comes to meta information. Meta information is information explained by a character to the￼ audience on how an event or the workings of a machine.

￼There are two points that puts Dr. Quack’s￼￼ reliability of his Meta￼ commentary into question. The next moment after he explains why he didn’t act during the Endgame Arc, he talks about Sally and about her being in a coma.

Despite Dr. Quack’s profession is to be a medical doctor, he couldn’t tell Sonic when or if Sally would ever wake up from her fall-￼induced coma. Only for Sonic to wake Sally up right after as he ran over to kiss her (1st point).

Dr. Quack can tell us Snivley’s intention on betraying Robotnik, but the information he provides on technology his character should not have had access to (2nd point), his words should be taken with a grain of salt.

Before you say Dr. Quack had access to understanding the full￼￼ extent of the Ultimate Annihilator, Robotnik only brought Dr. Quack in for his Neutron Chip. His knowledge only extends to the chip that was in his Dream Watcher, not to the machine capable of EE.￼￼￼￼

2. Locke and The Encyclopedia

Locke and the￼ Encyclopedia said all of Mobius blips out of existence. Locke says a billionth of a second￼ and the￼ Encyclopedia says an instant. Let’s assume Locke was counting Sonic and let’s assume the￼ Encyclopedia “Sonic and Mobius blips out of existence” to say that the words mean they were erased the same way.

Locke’s quote: “When the Omega Wave wiped everything out of existence in the Primary Zone for just a billionth of second, it accelerated the entropic effect, allowing the buffers between zones to break down.”

Rebuttal~

The counter argument relies on the points to rely on each other but they don’t state a fact on whether Sonic didn’t resist EE or did.

First, let’s look at Locke. Locke, for one, states the fact Mobius blip out of existence for a billionth of a second which is causing head aches for that point in the story.

Locke is a knowledgeable character with advance technology. There is not a doubt of mind that his statement of the Universe (The encyclopedia just mentions Mobius, not the universe. If we completely relied on the￼ Encyclopedia, we would have to rate the Ultimate Annihilator as Planetary, not Universal) was wiped from Existence. That supports at least Sonic￼ would have been erased.

But then,￼ not only Robotnik’s Clothes and Metal Arm, but also Locke’s quote also goes against Dr. Quack’s (Like Sonic said in issue 43, who is starting to live up to his name) quote of the Ultimate Annihilator only being able to erase Robotnik from existence.

However, Locke doesn’t mention Sonic. More importantly, Locke, who would’ve been in the perfect position￼￼ to relay￼ information and clear up a mystery, did not mention anyone or anything￼ (anything, as Locke’s quote being the entire Universe, would mean it can erase more than just bio data￼) coming out of a ring.

Second, let’s look at the quote from The Encyclopedia, that relies on Locke’s quote￼.

The Encyclopedia Quote: “Sonic and Mobius, meanwhile, only blipped out of existence for an instant before returning.”

This quote, again, is repeating information given by Locke, offering nothing new to the situation. The only thing it changed is the timeframe, the Universal to Planetary￼ range that goes against pocket dimensions popping up in the after-math, and mentioning Sonic by name.

Now the question is~

The encyclopedia took information from Locke but originally Locke never mentioned Sonic. The encyclopedia chose to mention Sonic.

But what did they say about Sonic that Locke didn’t already said about the universe? Nothing. The encyclopedia doesn’t establish a link between Sonic and the universe when everything got erased.￼￼￼￼￼￼￼ It only further separates Sonic and the universe as two separate entities getting erased than just taking Locke’s quote at face value.

Verdict:

Archie Sonic mostly likely has Resistance to EE. While nothing is outright stated￼ in support of this feat, Robotnik’s Clothes and Metal Arm are not biologically linked to Robotnik being￼ erased along with him, the unpredictable nature of an overloaded Ultimate Annihilator￼, the fact Snivley never deleted Sonic’s bio data but alter it so it would still be in the system to avoid detection from Robotnik, Sonic holding Robotnik as they￼ disappear into White Space,￼ Sonic being stated to be the only one at Ground Zero, Sonic escaping from White Space through a ring that no one else mentions but no one else saw￼ him escaping through a ring, Sonic being established earlier on to be the only one protected by ring aura gifted￼ by 2-A Gods that stated Sonic was the only one to reach that amount of 1 billion rings that protects Sonic’s Life Force.

Magic number 7 evidences in support of Sonic’s resistance to EE.

The evidence that goes against the idea of Sonic having resistance to existence erasure is based on the assumptions that those characters are mouthpieces of the author, wanting explanation on what happened to Sonic as the opponents of Sonic’s Type 8 are looking for out right statements to rely on.

But Dr. Quack’s statements are more for why he didn’t act during the arc to save Knothole and Locke was just explaining the Ultimate Annihilator’s range and why￼ Echidnaopolis out of nowhere in front of Knuckles for the current plot.

Those statements didn’t directly go against Sonic having resistance to EE, due to the circumstances I explained above.￼

Final thoughts￼:

Archie Sonic the Hedgehog’s Resistance to EE is clearly not the most clear cut ability he has and will possibly forever￼￼ be argued against.￼

However, there is a lot of evidence that does support the possibility of him having it and the evidence that goes against it is based on what people perceive the narrative to be telling.￼ The opposing thinking is, since the dialogue from certain characters￼ are trying to say it’s one way, despite a couple of things supporting another way, we should follow what the characters say on what could possibly have happened￼, rather than interpreting all of the events to work together as a whole.

On that, I am against. We should definitely consider every evidence, coming from dialogue to characters who say what and what kind of characters they are to events to art in panels and see everything as a whole. Instead of focusing on one aspect(dialogue for a scene) and making everything work around it.