Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog

Oh My god...
How about listening to the Bumble King forums? OLGILVIE IS NOT HIS REAL NAME!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???!!! Calming down... Honestly, it's not his real name. Let me quote some forum posts explaining this to you.

Curious... where is it mentioned that Olgilvie is Sonic's real first name?

Ken Penders said it, but since it never made it in print, it is'nt canon to the comic.

2) I have to agree with the comment on Sonic's real name - he was never called "Ogilvie" in the comic, and it's not in the comic (or associated spinoffs), it's not canon. That the name was suggested as such could be included as a "Trivia" point, although usually trivia sections are discouraged.

"Olgivie" is mentioned numerous times thru the article as Sonic's first name. As Toby pointed out it has never made into print. If concept art is not to be considered canon design for lack of publisation, why is the name (only mentioned in Ken's chat) an exception to the rule?

Get it? Just because you run this wiki doesn't mean that your ideas are automatically law of the land. How about DISCUSSING this? Or how about VOTING to see which idea is preffered better for the wiki? This is a GROUP project, that EVERYONE is involved in. We are supposed to blend ideas, make compromises, discuss possible ideas, etc. Try and be nice. This is coming from me and the BumbleKing Comic Forum members. Dylanlip 01:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

This is asinine. If you're going to consider Olgivie to be Sonic's real name, you may as well change Bunnie's page to read that her name is actually Scarlet O'Hare, or write about Nicole's romantic relationship with ADAM. Art that doesn't see print isn't the same thing as CONCEPTS that don't see print. A lot of the time said art is NEVER intended to see print but is still in use and canon. Stuff planned to make it in the comic that was NEVER realised and has been disregarded by the CURRENT writer should not count.


 * The key difference between the two is that the ADAM/NICOLE romance was a deleted plot idea, the name Olgivie was supposed to make it into the series (hence why Sonic's data file explains his first name is NOT Sonic and has yet to be revealed). There was no indication in the comics that ADAM and NICOLE would have a romantic relationship because the plot ideas weren't in the comics whatsoever. I suppose with the current canon policy the name Scarlet O'Hare could be in there, I'd have to research it more. As I said, I would personally prefer that whatever is in the comics is canon, what ever isn't is nothing more than background info, but apparently you people wanted it changed on Bumbleking. If the canon policy is to go back, then I'll remove the name Olgivie from the top, but it must be documented his first name is not Sonic. Would you not agree that's a fair compromise? - Dimitri the Echidna 19:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Deleted plot idea vs something that was supposed to make it into the series... there is no difference. All those concepts were put forth by the writers at the time. They didn't come to pass BECAUSE the writers were let go (in other words, were Bollers still around, yes, ADAM and Nicole would have been written into a relationship). Anything Ken Penders and Karl Bollers PLANNED to do in terms of character or plot details don't count for anything because they didn't end up happening, and thus they are NOT CANON. Sonic's name being revealed as Olgivie is one of those things. The only thing that DID happen was a suggestion that "Sonic" wasn't his first name (so putting that would make far more sense than trying to claim a writer's unrealized concepts as canon).

To make a comparison, Ken Penders' original plans for the Green Knuckles deal was to result in Knuckles being a powerful villain (aka "The Ultimate Villain"). He started on that path in the comic itself... there was, to use your term, indications and hints towards that plot to come (him lashing out at Tails, joining the Legion, pulling the "my way is right" deal) - but the original idea was then forced to change. Only a nod of it appeared in M25YL. Should Knuckles' page then say that he is/will be The Ultimate Villain? Of course not. While Ken Penders planned for it to happen and started mention of it in the book, it never actually occured. In the same vein, he planned for and set up a suggestion that Sonic has a formal first name, but that never came to pass either (and it's been stated by the current writer that it won't).


 * Maybe it's just me, or maybe you are ignoring my posts altogether or just most of them. To quote my previous message: If the canon policy is to go back, then I'll remove the name Olgivie from the top, but it must be documented his first name is not Sonic. Would you not agree that's a fair compromise?. I don't understand why you continue to blabber on when I've already offered a compromise. Then, you simply reword my proposed solution and make it like your own idea. Either try to deal with me here or I'm simply going to ignore your messages the way you've ignored mine up to now.


 * I've been trying to compromise with you for weeks now, but your constant complaining and dictating to me how you want this place to run is wearing my patience thin. If you continue to act this way without at least trying to find middle ground with me, I'll simply ignore your messages altogether, and if you decide to vandalize the site in any way, I will have no choice but to ban you. You have been warned. - Dimitri the Echidna 18:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow. Overeacting much? I said your proposal made far more sense (along with further reasoning) and you take it as an insult. I certainly never said it was my own idea; I agreed with you. Who said anything about vandalizing - especially when I actually contributed and fixed some of the already-existing pages? You're making some rather rude assumptions.


 * I need only look at this page to see that you saying that I'm overreacting is hypocritical. Of course, you didn't sign your signature at the end of your posts, so you could argue it was "someone else", but we both know it's you Dylanlip. But that aside, I've stated the differences between unused plot ideas and Sonic's first name (which we know, as a fact, is not Sonic given the data file, we just don't know what it officially is yet, and Olgivie is all we have. That is why I suggested removing Olgivie from the article, but it has to say his first name is not Sonic. You were not trying to compromise with me, you were trying to make a point to counter mine and prove me wrong. Not that there's a problem in debate, but when it keeps going on and on, it gets tiresome. Additionally, when you start lying on Bumbleking about me (saying I've "closed all the articles to edits for example), I start to get a bit pissed off. I'm not making any "rude assumptions", I'm looking at your posts on the forum and messages on discussion pages here. I have all the evidence I need to support my claims and defend myself, while you cannot say the same. - Dimitri the Echidna 06:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You have all the evidence you need to support your claims? Uh, what evidence do you have to show I'm Dylanlip? 'Cause... I'm not. Can't you see his IP from his account? Thanks for going on an aggressive rant falsely assuming I'm someone I'm not. I don't sign a signature because I don't have an account here.


 * No, I cannot see Dylanlip's IP, because he's a registered member. This is the same way on all wikias, if you're registered, your IP will not show. As a result, you could be an un-logged in Dylanlip. Given that your language style is similar to his, and he is one of the few that adds messages regularly in here, it was not a leap in logic to assume you're Dylanlip. If you're not, I apologize. Users without an account can still leave a signature, it will just show the IP address. At the end of messages, add ~ to the end so people know who it's from. For future cases, sign at the end of your messages, and I recommend getting an account to prevent further incidents like this. - Dimitri the Echidna 17:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll look into getting an account later, then. As it was I only meant to explain some reasoning in-depth. No offense intended. 74.119.233.188 21:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, and I apologize for confusing you with someone else. Things have been pretty hectic here for me the last few days and I've been a little on edge. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. Also, I appreciate your recent contributions. I'll go through the issues tomorrow to add the references. - Dimitri the Echidna 07:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually; as per 'actual' comic relations; Sonic's true name is Maurice Wentworth (Last name unknown). This comes, cited, from Issue #53, page 6 by his father. His middle name; was also given in Issue #0, as cited again also in Issue #53 by Fred and reconfirmed again by Sonic's father. - JK Mason 18:28, 16 May 2009


 * We don't know about "Wentworth". That was just a name Antoine said Sonic's middle name might be. Jules then stated Maurice was Sonic's middle name, but didn't get a chance to reveal his first name. - Dimitri the Echidna 00:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Un-Needed Protection
Why the hell is this page protected? There was no full post here explaining why. Info will need to be posted here, things will need to be fixed, etc. Protecting this page during the early development of the wiki is a very bad decision. Please either A. Explain in FULL DETAIL why you protected this page, or B. Un-protect this artcile. Dylanlip 01:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all you need to calm down. Secondly, I've protected a few pages as the sidebar images were constantly being replaced with ones that either didn't show the whole character, or were less quality. I've let the issue on "non-canon" images slide, so I felt it applied to the name as well. According to the data file, Sonic is not his first name, and Olgivie is the only name provided by a member of the comic's staff (it probably would have been in the comics had Penders been on longer, or had SEGA allowed it). If I'm to allow the use of images that don't make it in the comics, the name applies too. The protection is only for 10 days and that is to allow discussion to take place over Bumbleking and give me some time to make some changes to the site layout as well. Also, I hope you take the time to read through the site's Manual of Style, as a lot of your changes to not coincide with this wikia's narrative language and POV style, and thus I have to revert the changes. - Dimitri the Echidna 03:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * What could have been is not a good enough reason for using the name, Dimitri. If you look at the POV you want for this wiki, then the comics are the "window" into (this particular interpretation of) Sonic's world.  We have never seen the name "Olgivie" used via that view, and whether Penders was going to use it or not is not germane because it never made it into the book.


 * Also, I'm concerned about why you're locking the entries for Sonic and Sally. It does not appear that there was vandalism occuring, nor an edit war requiring a cooling-off period.  You appear to be enforcing your particular view of things over the rest of the community's, and that could be considered an abuse of your powers as an administrator for this wiki.  Edits made in good faith (and one should always assume good faith) should not be penalized. Carl Fox 00:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Carl Fox, regarding Sonic’s name: recently I opened my canon policy to allow artwork, which was done by production that does not appear in the comics, to be permitted on articles as canon information (the discussion took place on the Bumbleking forum), but this policy acts as a double-edged sword. By this definition, the name Olgivie fit the new canon description (as it was done by production staff but did not fully make it into the comics, though it was implied on an occasion or two). If you people want to have out-of-comic production works allowed as canon info on here, then it doesn't just apply for some things and not for others, you have to choose one way or the other. In addition to the canon policy change, I explained why his first name is not Sonic and should therefore not be stated as such on the article. Olgivie is what we have to go on right now, as it was provided by the former writer of the series and a replacement has never made it into the comics so far. We need to work out as a community what should be established canon and what isn't before more articles are made, to prevent this issue from constantly reoccurring. Personally, I'd prefer whatever made it into the series as canon and what didn't is left as background info, but other people have stated if it's done by production staff it should be allowed as canon, which was why I changed the site's policy in the first place.


 * Next, I locked the Sally Acorn article temporarily because the constant changes made to it went against the Manual of Style, despite my messages to Dylanlip, which explained why they would be reverted back. Dylanlip continued to change it back, which was obviously deliberate or he ignored my messages. Either way, he guided my hand in taking that course of action and I don’t regret it. I locked the Sonic the Hedgehog article because I saw the same chain of events occurring with it that happened to the Sally one. Perhaps I acted a bit hastily, but given Dylanlip's actions on the Sally page, it seemed legitimate to think the same events would happen on the Sonic page. I wanted them locked so that time could be taken to properly discuss the issues, rather than a back-and-forth edit war. I'm not closed to new ideas, but to prevent back-and-forth edits, I felt this could be done better if the pages were locked until the proper compromise was found.


 * Additionally, I locked the two articles because I am currently working on obtaining templates from other wikis such as the Under dispute template (which would be used for pages like the Sonic and Sally ones) and the Citations Needed template, as well as some others. Once I have these templates I'll start using them in articles, as opposed to locking disputed pages until a compromise can be found, which is what I'm currently doing.


 * Dylanlip, you've made several accusations against me on Bumbleking forum, which are not true (such as "locking every page so no one can edit them”). I only locked pages regarding site policy, the main page – which is to be properly managed and controlled, most wikias don't allow any users to modify the main page, so it's not just me – and the two articles due to constant changes which went against the site's Manual of Style. It is a temporary lock and if these backwards edits stop then I'll unlock the pages before the ten days have expired. I've explained to you numerous times that you have to follow the site's Manual of Style or your changes will be corrected. It's nothing personal, it's strictly about site policy. If you tried to meet in the middle with me rather than constantly challenging me and trying to provoke me, perhaps these issues would have been resolved already. Let's work to find a compromise so we can move on and start expanding the site's content again. - Dimitri the Echidna 01:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe sonic is 17 in the archie comics.
I've been thinking for a long time about this and came to the conclusion that he must be somewhere in his 17th year. He was only gone from Mobius for a a little less than a year. He left Mobius when he was 16 and then came back just in time for his 17th.

I changed his age to 17. -trance88


 * I thought about this for a while, but I figured it out. Sonic was 16 by the time of issue #68. He still probably was when he was tossed in space. However, what would have been his 17th birthday passed by during his year absense. When he returned, it would be his 18th birthday, despite the fact that he's biologically 17 due to the whole time relativity of his journey in space. - Dimitri the Echidna 07:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I realized I was wrong many hours later. -trance88

Super Strength?
I'm pretty sure that what physical strength Sonic has is caused only by how fast he moves. He's not actually super strong (strength =/= power). I don't know, it just seems weird to have that on there.
 * And it's still there. Anyone else find it somewhat out of place? It kinda implies that a standing punch from Sonic would be equal to Mighty or Knuckles, or that he'd be able to lift things easily. CrazyLea 05:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Moderately strong would be better. In fact, I'll do that now.Fair field fencer F F F  08:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Chaos Power
Does anyone ever wonder what potential Sonic has with Chaos Control and other chaos powers? He's and Shadow are very similar, and Sonic can become Super Sonic, which uses Chaos energy. So why doesn't Sonic use it in his normal form?

Think, he's not a 'chosen one' or a ultimate life form, or even a hedgehog from the future, just a regular super-fast blue talking hedgehog. If he did the immense power would probley rip him in two and have his chaos powers run ramped throught out Moubius destroying every thing in its path, or so I think. I aint entirely sure this is right but its pretty darn close, bub. Clarkmaster 14:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Sonic and Sally
It's blantly obvious that Sonic and Sally will love each other again. You can barely see this in 174, but it happens again in 187, where Sonic and Sally nearly kiss. Also, in Sonic 190, Sonic says "like always" after pounding Scourge. Sally replies "always, huh?". That's pretty obvious. Finally, in the most recent Free Sonic comic, the Sonic and Sally relationship is going to happen, considering one of the sentences says that Sonic and Sally are "maybe more" than friends. MrWoof 14:29, May 7th, 2009

Aerokinesis
Neither Sonic nor Tails has this ability. They. Do. Not. Have. Psychic. Control. Over. Wind. Currents. CrazyLea 02:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)