User talk:CrazyLea

Hi, welcome to Mobius Encyclopaedia! Thanks for your edit to the Forum:A general concern... page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Thot Prad (Talk) 05:06, 6 May 2009

Welcome!
I noticed you hadn't recieved a proper welcome, and since you've done some great work, I thought I would. I also made you a welcome gift in the form of a signature.  Crazy Lea  I love making these. For instructions on how to use it, see here.Fair field fencer F F F  19:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, FFF. I like the complementary colours, thought he yellow is a little hard on the eyes. Actually, I'm pretty sure I was one of the first users here; I lost my login info for a while. I think all my old stuff is under a different IP, is all. I'm pretty sure I create Fiona's initial page for one thing... anyway, thanks again. CrazyLea 19:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it, and I fixed the yellow.Fair field fencer F F F  19:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lea, just thought I'd mention. We don't allow game elements in the articles except for in the background information section, or if the game element has been added to the Archieverse. Just thought I'd mention it after you added Silver's age as 14, unless he got a data-file with his age or something that I don't know about.Fair field fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh? Considering nothing in the comics contradicts it currently, I would have thought that what little info there was would be accepted. I mean, unless the comic says otherwise later (at which point it can always be fixed), there's no reason to assume it's not true as it contradicts nothing. CrazyLea 17:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, even though that can be done, Dimitri doesn't want anything even remotely like false information in the articles as he treats this wikia like a real encyclopaedia were things must always be correct with proof. You could add it to the background information section that Silver is 14 in the game universe, but that it has not been confirmed what age he is in the Archieverse and that Mobius Encyclopaedia shall not state his age until it has been confirmed.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose, though I don't think "false information" is accurate in this case. =P As an aside, I planned to add some images around in general to flesh things out, though I've kinda forgotten how... is there a general limit to the number per article? Not that I want to go nuts here, but I didn't know if there was a set number like "five per page" or anything. CrazyLea 18:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it depends on the size of the article, really. Sonic and Knuckles are the largest and second largest, so they have about a dozen images in there articles. Just don't make it too crowded. I'd say three images is the maximum, including one for the abilities section. Like him using psychokinesis or something.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant in general, not just for Silver, but gotcha. CrazyLea 18:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If those five images are too many, you can ask either me or Dimitri to delete them for you, or you could do it yourself with chainsaw Dub will bring you.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  19:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you mind uploading an image of Teri-Lu from KtE: #10 please?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  05:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll try to get to it tomorrow. BTW, sorry for the typos and the like in some of the images I uploaded; it was a lot to keep track of. CrazyLea 05:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

←Thank you. And if I see any typos, I'll be sure to fix them for you.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  05:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lea, I gotta say, this knowledge of all things Archie Sonic you have is invaluable and has been a great help to us.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well... good, I guess? Heh. CrazyLea 05:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're an artist, right? I've seen some of your work and it brilliant. I've even added some to my favs on DA. I was curious if you do commisions, because I might hire you should I come into a bit of money.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I don't have any set rates or anything right now, but if you sent me a note over DA or something, I'd be up for negotiations. CrazyLea 07:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. I can't really discuss anything at the moment since I'm going to take my father out for a little treat for a birthday present on Saturday. I'm alright for a few bob at the moment, so I've decided to take him golfing. Not sure how much it is, though, but I think I'll definitely have enough.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Apologies, Lea, but it turns out I won't be needing your services. I told my mother I was planning on paying you to draw something for me, but to my surprise, she said she'd do it. I'd thought of asking her originally, but I didn't think she'd have the time to do it she's been so busy around the house lately. Sorry.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's cool. Thanks for considering me, though. CrazyLea 10:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Appearance - Response
It's an interesting idea, but I think it could probably go best in the Background Information sections. That said, it could have a subheading of its own under that main heading. I was also considering putting in "First Appearance" on the character infobox, but it's not in-universe so I opted against it. That could also go under the Appearance subheading. - Dimitri the Echidna 02:26, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Show me an example of what you mean first. Also, it could probably go under Background Information heading under an "Appearance" sub-heading. - Dimitri the Echidna 21:22, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like it. Put it in the Background Information section under the Sub-Heading "Appearance". - Dimitri the Echidna 07:53, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Lea, you didn't read my post, did you?
You seem to be fixated on the idea that I think Ian is a homophobe. I don't know a lot about Ian's personal life, which is why I'm not suggesting anything. All I said was that what he did with Rotor and Cobar in "M:XYL" was suspicious, in light of what Ken revealed about them, and I was curious as to what Ian's official statement was on it. Him being a homophobe was only one of the possibilities I've thought about, the others being him having some kind of a grudge against Ken, him not liking the character of Cobar, him not liking relationships in the comic, period (again, look at what he did with Sonic and Sally), etc. As I said on Cobar's discussion page, there was no reason for him to kill the character off, so viciously, at the very start of his run on the series, especially when it had no point in the story for him to do so - if he didn't care for the character or the relationship or something, he could've easily stated the alterations to the timeline wiped Cobar from existence, or prevented him and Rotor from meeting or something. The fact that he's not even wanting to comment on it, either way, even further my suspicions. I just want to know what his deal with it is, whether he doesn't like gay characters in Sonic, he doesn't like Cobar himself, he doesn't like Ken, or what. 66.228.109.2 16:36, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I just think any of these reasons is looking too far into the fact, and I'm personally tired of seeing complaints based on the fact that not everything is sunshine and daisies for everyone all the time. As far as I know, no one knew about Ken's plans for Rotor until he revealed them recently (and specifically Cobar more recently), so something written a couple years ago (or however long it was - these things are often written six months in advance anyway) would have no bearing on it/vice versa. Shadow and Lien-Da got information on the timeline deterioration as well as Lien-Da's means for maintaining her memory by forcing it from Cobor. On top of that, the point was to show that while Shadow thought he was ultimately doing good, he was a horrible, brutal person. Besides, on top of it all, the whole of 25YL is a possible future, so even if someone knew of it and didn't like it, what would it matter? You don't have to like a character to include them in a story, as Marine (who succeeded in dealing the final blow to Metal Sonic) proves. Cobar died because Shadow and Lien-Da were villainous in that story. There really doesn't have to be more to it than that. CrazyLea 17:23, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree, wholeheartedly. First of all, if you even bothered to read Ken Penders' message board, both he and Bob R. (the guy who speaks for him, on there) knew about making Rotor gay, and had announced their intention to make a gay characte months before they admitted that it was Rotor. Plus, considering how many issues his run on X Years Later ran, and how many hints were in there, I'd have to say that there was plenty of planning, before hand. Ken even said when he confirmed Cobar as Rotor's lover that they had an outline ready for how they met, including a "secret mission" that they didn't have time to flesh out in the outline, that explained their relationship. So you can't claim that this was out of the blue, because clearly it was set up in advance. Secondly, you're still intent on justifying pointless, wanton violence just to show how evil a villain is. As I said before, there were other, better and more effective ways of showing that. In fact, Ian could've used Rotor and Cobar's relationship against them, to more effect; they could've had Rotor or Cobar watch the other getting tortured, to make them break (and Ian could've even kept the gay undertones between them subtle like Ken did by having Rotor/Cobar's reaction to this skirt the line between being interpreted as them agonizing over the pain of seeing a close friend and colleague suffering, and that of a lover suffering, with the reader left to wonder which it was). And again, seeing as Cobar is a member of the Dark Legion, having Lien-Da mind control him through his implants, or force him to betray Rotor, or something similar would show just how cruel and evil they were. And, again, since Shadow was seeing himself as noble and doing the right thing through his tyranny, it would be more effective for him to show compassion and spare Cobar's life, to get on better graces with the populace; if the populace see that they have a slim chance of invoking their master's mercy if they cross him, they'd be far more loyal to him than if they see that they'll be shown no mercy, or would be killed at random, just because their master wanted to. True, you've got the problem of people exploiting his mercy, but any writer worth his salt would make damn sure that they established that his mercy only goes so far, so to push him further than that would be asking for the death penalty. Finally, whose to say that the writer might not want to use those characters in a future storyline? If I remember correctly, not many people liked Silver, and he was technically only part of the Sonic 2006 plotline, yet he appeared again in X Years Later. And even if they don't, that doesn't give them the right to simply toss out the character like that; he was created for a reason, and that reason should be respected and dealt with. As I said before, there were far better ways of shipping Cobar out of the comic, many of which could've used the changing of the timeline as an excuse (if not wiping im out of existence, entirely, then preventing him and Rotor from ever being lovers and partners, or something). Having him die just to show how evil the villains were is stupid, pointless, and disrespectful to the character and its creator. 66.228.109.2 21:54, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, you're assuming that everyone else actually knew that the characters were homosexual AND a couple, or that it had anything to do with how the story played out. Ken and BobR (who does not work for Archie) may have planned things one way, but that doesn't mean that the other writers or editor knew or even had approved (and frankly, considering that even mild cuss words aren't allowed, you think Archie was likely to have allowed such a relationship to actually be portrayed without any doubt as to what it was? They can't even show Sonic crying half the time). I'm going to have to disagree that Cobar's death was ineffective at showing Shadow's twisted sense of justice, but that's a matter of opinion. However, saying it's disrespectful to the character and its creator is silly considering this is a promotional book full of licensed characters - several people are working with characters and concepts not their own from the start. Ken intended to kill off both Sally and Lupe; do you think he meant it as a personal dig against Ben Hurst, or was he just trying to tell a story? CrazyLea 02:21, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why do you think Ken had the hints be subtle, then? With the intention made clear, the hints were obvious, but without them, they could be interpreted as just a close friendship and work relation - easily able to slip past the Archie censors. And considering that Ian was taking over the writing of Mobius: X Years later from him, you'd think that Ken would've let him know about his intentions with the series, in case Ian wanted to continue them. Having him not tell Ian those plans, when he handed over the writing duties for the series to him, would not only seem rather stupid on Ken's part (as I'm sure he'd like the new writer to build up on the foundation he laid down), but it also seems counterproductive to keeping the continuity of the comic. Also, my mate has all of the X Years Later comics, and he's confirmed that hardly anyone knew about Cobar's death, possibly not even Rotor himself. Tell me; if no one was informed of Cobar's death, how does his death prove anything? Yeah, it's a cheap shock death to show the reader how evil Shadow is, but if none of the good guys know about it, then his death can't be made into an example. And, as I said, there are other, better, and more effective ways to show how evil Shadow was than to simply have him kill someone in cold blood in such a violent manner. That's the biggest thing that gets me, with this: the brutality of the murder. Shadow didn't simply crush the guy's head in with Chaos Control or something, he tortured the guy to death. A slow, painful, and intimate way of killing someone. Having someone die like that, just to show how evil their killer is, is not only stupid and pointless, but incredibly insensitive; you've got to hate someone extremely bad, or be so insane that you start babbling AoSTH memes, to kill someone like that, and from what I read of the comic, Shadow had neither of those going for him, at the time. It fails on all of the levels that you insist it succeeds on; it isn't the most effective way of showing off how evil Shadow is, to the reader or to the characters, it fails to put them in line (as, y'know, they banded a resistance that overthrew him instead of bowing before him in fear), it goes against what Shadow was trying to achieve, at the time (which was uniting all of Mobius under him in a peaceful utopia, which would require giving the people a reason to like him as their lord and savior, instead of killing off people at his leisure), and it does disrespect the character of Cobar and his creator, because Cobar was created specifically for X Years Later, and instead of utilizing him in a significant or appropriate manner, Ian decided to kill him off in as gruesome a manner possible. That's a big fuck you to Ken, honestly, and Ian's statement that he wasn't even going to acknowledge the relationship either way shows that he doesn't give a crap about Cobar or Ken's plans for him. Finally, you're comparing apples and monster trucks; Cobar's death had no purpose, and didn't do jack to further the story, whereas Sally's deaths were meant as the central crux of the conflict in their appropriate stories; it was Sally's death that got Sonic after Robotnik during Endgame (and Snivley's framing of Sonic for Sally's murder that got the Secret Service on his ass, thus allowing Robotnik to invade and prep everything for his Ultimate Annihilator). As for Lupe, I'm not sure where you got that Ken was planning to kill her, especially since there wasn't any mention made of that in the Background Info on her page on here, but considering she was the leader of the Wolf Pack, I'm pretty sure her death was going to be meant as the crux of a whole story around it. Honestly, you're trying to demonize me into a straw fanboy by putting words in my mouth and twisting my statements to seem like I'm jumping off the slippery slope, complaining about everything that isn't a damn Mary Sue fanfic. I'm not; I'm just pointing out that the circumstances surrounding Ken, Ian, Rotor, and Cobar were suspicious, and while I had some theories about it, I wanted to get the real story about what Ian thought. You guys assumed I was trying to stir up trouble, and started the whole stuff about Cobar's death being necessary to prove how evil the villain is, and when I tried to argue reasonably how that didn't make sense, you further twist my words and use irrational comparisons to justify your arguments. I'm sorry, but it honestly sounds like you're Ian Flynn fanboys that are convinced he can do no wrong, and his stories and the logic behind them should not be questioned, at all. I'm done arguing with you over this, honestly. I'm not saying that Ken hasn't had his share of bad ideas, but frankly, I'd take his stories, and the fans behind him, then I would with Ian and his fans, if you're indicative of what he has behind him. 66.228.109.2 05:07, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see how you're trying to argue reasonably (or civilly) while slipping in snide remarks, dismissing anything contrary to your opinions as fanboyism and getting all up in arms over the small stuff. You're putting words in the mouths of others yourself. Here, I will give you some facts, and you can decide for yourself how to interpret them:
 * Ian was asked by the editor to provide an ending for the then-unfinished 25YL with a limited number of pages. Ken did not leave notes regarding his longterm plans for anyone to follow. Even at the time multiple writers were working on the book, they were often unaware of each others' story plans and intentions and did not always actively collaborate, occasionally leading to conflicting and confusing plot points (for instance, stories being printed by writers with completely different plans as to who ANONYMOUS really was - Ken Penders was fully writing with Ivan Kintobor as the intended reveal, while Romy Cachron was writing with the original Robotnik in mind). There is no massive store or collective of character notes or references for everyone to work from (until recently there weren't even anything like visual character sheets, and even those aren't complete/fully adhered to). I know for a fact that many of the current staff only heard that "Rotor was gay" as recently as the readers did. Many intended plot lines are dismissed, put off until a later time, or heavily altered before they see print in any form, so even what a writer plans for in the future is in no way set in stone or known to all.
 * While beside the point, there was a story focused on Lupe's death - it appeared in SSS #11. The difference was that Ken considered it the absolute death of the character and had not intended (at the time) for her to ever return. This plan was revealed much in the way Remington's true heritage was. You're right in that it's not mentioned on her page - I will add it.
 * You assumption that everyone fully knew of Ken's intentions and planned plot points, especially in regards to these characters, is a false one.
 * If all you wanted was to know Ian's thoughts on the matter, you could have asked him yourself (http://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2145&start=0) or waited for an answer, as it had already been brought up. CrazyLea 07:04, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Then that's a sign of poor communication in the Sonic comic den, and as a result, why the quality of the stories have gone down so fast. Honestly, it sounds lik what happened with Countdown to Final Crisis, or Sonic X-Treme; the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, and thus screwing it all up, as a result. It also sounds like there was a fair amount of executive meddling going on, in the background, and if that's the case, that makes things even worse; any decision that is editorially mandated about how a comic should be written is always a bad idea, and it sounds like the editors were the ones keeping the writers from consulting one another on the project they were writing on.
 * As for your accusations, don't you dare; I'm not the one who started this whole thing about whether or not Cobar's death was justified; you and that other guy assumed that's where I was going, and started the whole flipping argument. You were the ones who assumed that I was saying that Ian was a homophobe, when I only said that that was one of a couple of possible theories I had for what happened to Cobar, and I wasn't going to speculate on them until I heard what Ian's official statement on it was (and, no, I did not get an answer on Ian's thoughts on the matter, just a bunch of pointless arguments, and a final "I don't know". All I know is that Ian killed off the character when he got the first chance to do so, and he refused to comment on the relationship, either way; that doesn't tell me anything about what his official stance was, just a bunch of speculation as to what it was). I'm also not making "snide remarks" or "dismissing anything that doesn't conform to my worldview", I'm pointing out legitimate holes in the logic of your arguments: you say that Cobar's death showed how evil Shadow was (and was necessary to show how evil he was), and helped kept the rest of the populace in line. That is patently false; nowhere in the comic does it hint that any of the Freedom Fighters, even Rotor himself, knew about Cobar's death, so his death wasn't used as an example of what Shadow would do to his enemies, and it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since - as I've stated before - dictators like that, who slaughter innocent people at random on a whim with no reason whatsoever, do not hold control over their subjects, very well, and only inspire more people to join the resistance to get rid of him. Excessive brutality and pointless killings to effectively control the populace don't, and it's not realistic to assume that it does, at all (again, look at Hitler, Saddam Husein, Fidel Castro, the Tokugawa Shogunate, etc.). Also, you do not have to have a villain kill someone in cold blood, especially with an extremely cruel and horrifying way such as being tortured to death, to show he's evil, unless you also want to show him as being completely insane with no regard for life whatsoever...and, as I stated before, at that point in time, Shadow was convinced he was saving Mobius by forcing them to conform to his regime and bring peace to the populace. Not only is torturing Cobar to death pointless and excessive, it's also out of character for what Ian was trying to establish Shadow's goals and morals as being. If Ian wanted to get rid of Cobar that badly, there are other ways for him to do so without resorting to senseless violence; again, he could've used the changes in the timeline as an excuse to write him out, either as not existing (and I already explained why it wouldn't change the plot point with the time displacement band on Lien-Da), or that he never met Rotor, or something to that effect. And with the Sally/Sonic relationship, they're only together in non-canon stories, kept completely separate in the main storyline (even though it's been clear several times during Ian's run that they're trying to make amends), and in case you haven't noticed, Saffron's not appeared, lately, and both Julie-Su and Bunnie's relationship with their significant others have been strained thanks to the Knuxerjak and Iron Dominion arcs, respectively. So don't you dare tell me that Ian cares about keeping the established relationships together, because it's clear he doesn't care about Sally/Sonic, and is wanting to put Knux/Julie's and Antoine's/Bunnie's relationship under strain just for drama.
 * Honestly, it's you who are ignoring what doesn't fit your worldview, and are putting words in other peoples' mouths; you assume what I'm getting at with my arguments, jump to conclusions, and twist my words out of context to make me out to be an insane fanboy who hates Ian and doesn't give a crap what other people say. You started the arguments on Cobar's talk page, not me; I just asked a simple question, and you guys took it out of context. And the more I argue with you and try to show the legitimate flaws in your reasoning, the more you stand firm and keep on repeating the same damn mantra: I'm wrong, I don't know anything, everything Ian did is correct and realistic, I need to shut up. If anyone is to be blamed here of being an insulting fanboy who doesn't listen to anyone, it's you guys. 66.228.109.2 17:04, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, wow. Touchy much? Once again you're complaining about words being put into others' mouths, and yet...
 * "I'm pointing out legitimate holes in the logic of your arguments: you say that Cobar's death showed how evil Shadow was (and was necessary to show how evil he was), and helped kept the rest of the populace in line. That is patently false; nowhere in the comic does it hint that any of the Freedom Fighters, even Rotor himself, knew about Cobar's death, so his death wasn't used as an example of what Shadow would do to his enemies, and it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since - as I've stated before - dictators like that, who slaughter innocent people at random on a whim with no reason whatsoever, do not hold control over their subjects, very well, and only inspire more people to join the resistance to get rid of him." <- All that about the effectiveness of "keeping the populace in line", and yet I'd love to see you point out where exactly I discussed this at all. I never made such a claim.
 * "you stand firm and keep on repeating the same damn mantra: I'm wrong, I don't know anything, everything Ian did is correct and realistic, I need to shut up." I don't see where I ever claimed that everything Ian did was "correct and realistic" or told you that you "need to shut up." You're sitting here complaining that I keep "repeating" these things when I've in fact never said them to begin with; that's the very definition of putting words in one's mouth.
 * Speaking of "legitimate" holes in the logic of one's arguments... you claim that Saffron having not been shown recently is an indication of meaningful/established relationships being dismissed. That's a pretty poor argument because while it's true she hasn't been shown recently, that has no bearing on the relationship as Charmy hasn't been shown in the last few issues either; furthermore, whenever they have appeared, they've pretty much stuck right by each other. You claim strain is also an example of the disruption of these relationships, and yet you're only looking at the lows (which all relationships have on occasion) while completely ignoring the highs; Sonic and Sally did not have to be happily married in 25YL. They did not have to attempt to rebuild their friendship. Antoine and Bunnie did not have to have a wedding. Julie-Su did not have to show twice over that her devotion to Knuckles is such that she's willing to give up her life for him. Being able to overcome strain in a relationship is a sign of its strength. If Ian wanted these couples broken up, he could have done it. Instead he reaffirmed them.
 * All of your potential reasons for why Ian chose to kill off the character were extremely negative - homophobia, a hatred for the relationship or a grudge against Ken. You also claim that he "refused" to comment on the matter when he simply hasn't gotten around to addressing it one way or the other yet, as shown by the thread I linked earlier. Actually, along that line, I gave you the place where you would eventually find your answer, and yet you respond by continuing to act insulted and insulting me in turn. Instead of even attempting to appear civil, you describe others' ideas as "stupid," "insane," "fanwankery," etc.. You don't think that comes off as confrontational at all? If you go in assuming the worst, it's essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy. CrazyLea 18:07, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Bull. Ever since I posted that initial question about Cobar, you and that other guy (the one with the orange and yellow name) keep on harassing me, assuming I'm bashing on Ian, twisting my own words to use against me and make me out to be some crazy fanatic, and now you're telling me to shut up, because you don't want to hear any more.
 * If Ian is so damn appreciative and supportive of the established relationships, then why has all of the Sonic/Sally relationships kept together been in the non-canon stories?! He has purposely kept them separate, and even had Sally say that she's happy being single and not romantically involved with Sonic, in the main comic, and in case you haven't noticed, Mobius: X Years Later is not part of that canon. You can argue all you want about how he keeps them together in that series, but the truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter one damn bit; if it doesn't occur in the main series, whatever happens in the alternate storylines lik XYL has no bearing. Hell, the only reason why they were shown to be happily married in XYL was likely because they were shown to be like that during Ken's run on the series, and Ian knew the fans would be pissed if he changed that. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason. As for Antoine/Bunnie and Knuckles/Julie-Su, Ian seems to like to put them in the most extreme cases where one turns on the other, and does something to them that likely would cause a possible break-up. He doesn't do any "low points" of the relationship like minor bickering or jealousy, he goes for the most traumatic and stressful cases to put them in to force them to literally fight each other. Yeah, that's a real fine show of respect for relationships.
 * The ineffectiveness was part of that other guy's statements, but you did support him when he said that Shadow killing Cobar was the quickest, most effective, and only way of showing how evil Shadow was, so your statements and his are grouped together. As I said before, there is no reason for Shadow to have tortured Cobar to death; there were other ways of showing how evil Shadow was than to resort to gratuitous violence and death (and, since Shadow's whole shtick by then was creating a despotic utopia and guiding the Mobian population towards peace and enlightenment, killing Cobar off in such a malicious and senseless way is completely out of character for him), Cobar's status as a member of the Dark Legion (y'know, the same group of villains that were Shadow's enforcers, during that part of the story?) and as the builder of Lien-Da's time-displacement armband had a few potential plot points that could've been exploited if he was kept alive, and if Ian really wanted to get rid of Cobar, he could've just had the time alterations take him; as I explained before, the field the armband creates that allows Lien-Da to keep her memories of the original timeline also keeps it intact if history is changed and its origin is erased, as long as it's intact, so having Cobar get swept up in the currents of time wouldn't change a damn thing.
 * Finally, your argument that I've been focusing on the worst case scenario for why Ian did what he did to Cobar? Yes, I'm focusing on bad reasons why he chose to end a new and potentially interesting character and relationship, because it's just to much of a coincidence that he would slaughter Cobar so viciously at the very start of his run on M:XYL, and then say "no comment" when confronted with what Ken revealed of his plans for the character. When a new writer eliminates a character that quickly into their run, and that brutally, after taking over for the previous writer who created said character, it usually means he has a problem with said character and/or the writer, and wants to make a statement, and that statement is usually "Here, this is what I think if said character/writer, suck on that". Which means there are four ways that I can see what the statement being said here is: he either hates gay characters, hates Ken Penders and/or his version of M:XYL, hates relationships in general (and, as I've demonstrated before, he does), or hates Cobar himself. There was no reason for him to kill Cobar off that brutally, or that senselessly, and there wasn't a damn story development created from his death; from what I remember reading of the comic in question, we don't know what if any information Shadow got from Cobar, and we certainly do know that his death is never mentioned again, by Shadow, Lien-Da, our heroes, or even Rotor himself. This wasn't a death to further a plot point, this was a baseless, senseless shock death, nothing more, and shock deaths are more often than not motivated by the new writer's hatred for a certain character, plot point, character dynamic (like gay characters), or the previous writer that set the character or plot point up for him. So, yes, I do look at the negative when it comes to Ian's treatment of Cobar, because it's justified; it's suspicious, it's malicious, it has no point in the storyline, it could've been handled much better, and ultimately it was just a needless shock death. And you guys are defending it as the only way of showing how evil Shadow is. Bull. You and that other guy are obsessive Ian Flynn fanboys who are convinced he can do no wrong and his writings should not be questioned, even when they suck hard, and you have clearly shown to defend that rose-colored point of view to the death when confronted with reasoning and logic from someone who isn't a big fan of his. You are pathetic, and I wash my hands of you. Good day.
 * Oh, btw, I checked out the link you posted; there was no answer given about Rotor/Cobar on there, at all, so, as I said, you did not give me a damn answer to my question about what his official take on it was. Maybe you and that other guy should get your eyes checked and actually do some freaking research, of your own, before you start making grandiose claims that are actually false.

66.228.109.2 23:36, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Y'know, I'm having a hard time deciding whether you're a troll or just delusional. You're the last one to be telling anyone to get their eyes checked when you're apparently illiterate and have some sort of selective reading disorder. You complain there was no answer given in the link I provided, so you obviously missed or somehow failed to understand the part about how the answer would be there eventually. Meaning it was not there yet. Meaning that it would be there at a future time (which, had you actually read the thread, you'd know, as it explains the answers are given weekly). You're so hypocritical it's baffling. You've twice now said you were leaving the subject only to come back and continue to whine about how everyone's calling you stupid and telling you to shut up (while you yourself, again, go around dismissing others' ideas as "stupid," "bull," "insane," "fanwankery" - you're the one actually throwing those words around, and yet it's everyone else being oh-so-mean to you). If you're finished with the matter as you say you are, then leave. Enjoy your life of confrontational pessimism. CrazyLea 02:33, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Strange Message
I think these messages were for you. They were posted on my talk page by User:76.173.144.7<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:39, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

"lol i dnt knw u guy or hw to tell u guy im a crzy tikal mina and lein~da fan i been a fan for 13 years sooo i know aloght of sonic stuff to but im sick and going to 8 grade is pretty hard so might come ltr in the week or so ill chk on u guys once or 2 so please ecpt mii i love to do stuff i draw good things with pencil and pen but i cant put them on the internet for ecample 1RECOLORS 2STPD PEPL SAY ITS THERE 3 HACKER [ ON DEVI ART] like poor BLACKmongoose SPAM learn 2 luv it lol so ill use XxGitz 13xX IF U PLy MKW PLEAS LEAVE UR WII NUM IM LONLY CANT GO OUT IM VERY SICK....besides missed school never did cant evn get out of bed.ps im nt a mary sue i dnt hate sally im a grl 2 dont belive me ply withn me and if u guys r familer wit mii dont hrt me iv been an ass 2 online h8trs i hav t 2 style an a pure star dash craps opps ecses for t languge just sick of being SICK please rply nt wit bad comnts im nt in a good mood...middle school is fun FMS hints?"

"ello sry crzy lea might be last time i come so anyway i was wondering if mina really if its really true i havnt got the issues for a year soooo wats wit leian~da up t2 lately?and might put up my computer sonic fanart in a year or so if u guy want me to draw ur char just ask...and look at nachers [timblem] or purityif14 [becky fnart] look up to them might use gitz 13 or my stret name... crzy artst"


 * Wow. Just wow. CrazyLea 13:41, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know this guy? He posted these messages under your section along with The Illustrious Q's. Either I didn't notice them, forgot or thought nothing of it, but Q just brought these to my attention.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:43, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, I have no idea what this is about. It almost sounds like a parody of online idiocy, except that there really are people who act like this and think they're legitimately communicating with others, so... yeah. CrazyLea 13:46, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

thankyou =D Sclera1 08:34, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lord Yagyu
I do not actually have the issue: I merely assumed that they were the same character, and went off other people's writing. I suppose the idea of them being entirely separate characters never occurred to me, and I apologize if it was an error.Wiriamu 03:49, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Wolves
You like wolves, don't you.

Don't mess with me! 18:23, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Don't mind my sig. Not especially. It's just that these characters were coming up again and no one had bothered to fill out all the articles despite most of them being introduced well over a decade ago. CrazyLea 23:37, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lupe Wolf
Do you like Lupe's Grand Chief outfit? She looks good in her new outfit. Right?

Her children (including her adopted children) are sweet, do you agree?
 * He has been banned. Some people switch IP addresses somehow. This guy did, and I banned his new one. I know this vandal over at the Sonic News Network nick-named "I like" that constantly switched IPs so that whenever we banned him, he'd just wait for a new IP and bam! There he was again. Real pain. I even tried to settle with the guy. Spam in a sandbox. That blew up in my face.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer  <font  color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  19:52, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * IPs leave this wikia open, and some of them actually do make good edits, and when they do, they are automatically encouraged to make themselves an account.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  07:56, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic Question
Any ideas what will the Sonic Select vol 3 will have?

Sorry

 * I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get you upset. I'm from New York. I ask these questions because I get lonely, and I write letters to Sonic Grams and I never got any responds and I thought typing to you guys will make me feel better. I'm sorry again and can you forgive me?
 * I want to be your friend, and let's start all over. I'm new to this so please don't get angry.
 * I want to be your friend, and let's start all over. I'm new to this so please don't get angry.

Speedy
Is Speedy racist since he doesn't like Tails because Tails isn't a bird?

Question
Is it wrong to ask questions?